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    Chivalry Died in the Garden of Eden

    Sunday, July 9, 2006
    By Marc H. Rudov

    Entitlement, Ad Nauseam

    Hardly a day goes by without the birth of yet another article, written by a disillusioned woman, bemoaning the dearth or death of chivalry. The crux of each screed is: “Why should we pay for dinners? We’re women, after all, entitled to special treatment! What happened to tradition?” The scribes of these whining editorials, ranging from editors of college newspapers to Maureen Dowd of the New York Times, don’t seem to grasp how much they diminish themselves — and all women — with attitudes rooted in double-standard nonsense: demand for equality in the workplace and privileges outside of it.

    I recently appeared on MTV Live, originating in Toronto. The subject was manners in dating. MTV’s definition of manners? How men should treat women. No thought about how women should treat men. This is akin thematically to the articles about chivalry: what women unilaterally expect, demand, and are entitled to receive from men. Never any mentions of how women should reciprocate to men, other than showing up to enjoy themselves. Enough already. Grow up, girls.

    East of Eden

    The third chapter of the Book of Genesis contains the universally known story about Adam and Eve. Essentially, this story teaches us about making choices and dealing with their consequences — in other words, living as adults.

    The common perception of the Adam and Eve story is one of disobedience, curses, sins, and punishment. I, however, don’t accept that slant, preferring instead the interpretation of Rabbi Harold S. Kushner, author of the world-famous When Bad Things Happen to Good People. Kushner teaches that, by obtaining the Knowledge of Good and Evil, Adam and Eve became “human.” They irreversibly elected adulthood, freedom of choice, and accountability, precluding afterwards a return to the pampered, entitled life of ignorant bliss.

    Upon leaving Eden, Adam and Eve lost their immortality via the Tree of Life, being required instead to procreate and navigate the pains and challenges of parenthood. They would have to live “in the valley of the shadow of death,” possessing the daily knowledge of their mortality. Adam learned that, henceforth, he would earn a living “by the sweat of his brow.” Knowing Right vs. Wrong separated Adam and Eve from the animals and made them responsible for the first time — a depth they didn’t have in paradisaical Eden. This abrupt change enhanced, not diminished, their lives. On the contrary, living forever like a protected, spoiled, entitled child is a punishment, not a reward.

    Choices

    The Garden of Eden lesson is that life is about choices. Yet, as an author and radio guest who has contact with men and women from all over the world, I know firsthand that this lesson is lost on the women who constantly decry the dearth or death of chivalry. Too many females simply don’t accept the premise that, once they leave their parents’ “Gardens of Eden,” they are choosing the responsibilities and accountability of adulthood. Unfortunately, these coddled, entitled women want the double standard of one foot in the real world — college degrees, big salaries, home ownership — and one in the garden of special privileges — presumed wining & dining, child custody, etc. Such a woman wants to achieve and to be taken care of. But, life doesn’t work that way.

    What is this chivalry these entitled women so crave? I define chivalry as benevolent sexism, or BS, a one-way street of largesse from men to women. Men extend chivalry not out of respect but as a condescending means to an end, and that end occurs in the bedroom. Chivalry differs from civility, which is a two-way street of considerate, generous behavior. Civility is bereft of gender-based entitlement; chivalry is all about gender-based entitlement.

    Just as Eve made a fundamental choice about life, so, too, must women in today’s world choose: deferential treatment or respect. They can have one or the other, but never both. Women who want chivalry and also believe chivalrous men respect them as peers are kidding themselves. In an era when a woman can become anything she wants and earn as much as she wants, if she also expects men to finance her social life, she is beyond audacious. She’s rude and narcissistic.

    A demanding woman can succeed only if men cater to her demands. A woman cannot get special treatment from the bank, the IRS, the car dealer, the restaurant, the hotel, the airline, the grocery store, the doctor, or the health club. Why should she get it from men? She shouldn’t. But, if a man accords her special treatment, it’s because by demanding it she has reduced herself to a sex object. And, that’s really how he views her. Their so-called relationship then becomes based on legalized prostitution, not respect.

    NoNonsense Bottom Line

    If women want to gain respect amongst men, they must leave the Garden of Eden permanently, with both feet in the real, tough world. They must stop demanding chivalry, act like peers, and treat men like peers. This critical behavioral change does not make women less feminine and men less masculine. It makes them peers — equal in intelligence, capability, and potential — with different sex organs and complementary styles. The next time a woman writes a plaintive article about the lack of chivalry, I recommend that the rest of you request that she stop her whining — which hurts all of you.

    Men who are tired of double-standard chivalry demands can end them today: stop tolerating them. Once you defer to her nonsense, you create an irreversible, negative, lopsided, destructive dynamic that endures the life of your time together. If she insists on keeping one foot in the Garden of Eden, you can walk away. After all, life is about choices, isn’t it?

    About the Author

    Marc H. Rudov is an investment banker and business consultant residing in Silicon Valley, CA. He is the author of 20 articles and the book, The Man's No-Nonsense Guide to Women: How to Succeed in Romance on Planet EarthTM (ISBN 0974501719), which is distributed by BookWorld Companies (www.BookWorld.com).

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    Re: Chivalry Died in the Garden of Eden, Reject Chivalry

    ""..The crux of each screed is: “Why should we pay for dinners? We’re women, after all, entitled to special treatment!..""

    sure !!! new age gals innately feel and believe they are entitled to special treatment;

    the feminit system delivers this to them by dint of harsh laws - AKA

    Family Court

    some would think of these miserable rip of parlours rather as
    star chambers of the Stalinist ilk

    this article exposes one of the salient traits of new age gals viz

    they are arrogant free loaders

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    Re: Chivalry Died in the Garden of Eden, Reject Chivalry

    There was a serpent in the garden, that spoke to Eve....

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    Re: Chivalry Died in the Garden of Eden, Reject Chivalry

    the title alone is amazing. hahaha. I would argue that eve dropped the ball in the garden of Eden. I guess as the politically correct bug finally destroys the US we can go back to being men and women being women. We'll see. nonetheless, clever title.

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    Re: Chivalry Died in the Garden of Eden, Reject Chivalry

    No thought about how women should treat men. This is akin thematically to the articles about chivalry: what women unilaterally expect, demand, and are entitled to receive from men. Never any mentions of how women should reciprocate to men, other than showing up to enjoy themselves. Enough already. Grow up, girls.
    I happen to live in an area that attracts well educated, well paid young women. (the D.C. area). Most of the young women around here are intelligent responsible people who are looking for a career while they are young. Many, however, are like the ones described above. A lot of money gets thrown around and they feel that they are entitled to it. It is amazing the thinly veiled contempt these women have towards a man when he buys them a drink or picks up the dinner tab. Chivalry is just as much an objectification of men as it is women and I think it is worse. I got wise to that game a while ago. Still, from time to time, an attractive young lady will approach me at happy hour and say with a poorly disguised predatory look on her face and say "will you buy me a drink?" and my response is always "will you give me a blowjob?"
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    again, why is this a sticky and what does it have to do with dating love and sex?

    Seems to me to be just a general moan about women moaning about men..

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    Re: Chivalry Died in the Garden of Eden, Reject Chivalry

    I got wise to that game a while ago. Still, from time to time, an attractive young lady will approach me at happy hour and say with a poorly disguised predatory look on her face and say "will you buy me a drink?" and my response is always "will you give me a blowjob?"
    Several more steps up the ladder of self-valuing are needed.

    A blow job is worth what to whom?

    HE should be saying, "If you buy me dinner and drinks and take me to a show, I might allow you to play with my good friend the Viscount".

    After all, this tactic and attitude has worked for women since the Garden of Eden days. It is time to reverse the situation.

    Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum
    Love the Sinner but not the Sin.
    (St. Augustine)

    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
    against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. “
    (and within ourselves)
    (Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)

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    I really REALLY have a problem with people who bring up the Garden of Eden story in an attempt to shame women. Yes, Marx, I would have a problem with it if it were used to shame men. It seems often that Biblical stories are used to subjugate females specifically.

    P.S. Marx, I directed that last bit at you only because I figure you're going to say something like "men get shamed too, but nobody cares."
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    I really REALLY have a problem with people who bring up the Garden of Eden story in an attempt to shame women. Yes, Marx, I would have a problem with it if it were used to shame men. It seems often that Biblical stories are used to subjugate females specifically.
    The garden of eden shames eve for listening to the satanic serpent, and shames adam for listening to his wife rather than taking his correct position as the head of the relationship.

    I think it has a parallel with modern society, women listen to the femistate trouble makers, men then listen to the women because they want pussy.. Men would otherwise refuse to take the femistate trouble makers seriously, so women are the tool of the femistate to get men to comply..

    Biblical stories seem to be about showing folk what is right and wrong, and consequences of actions..

    Since civilisation was built on the back of such, it cant be a bad thing surely?

    Statism has become the new religion, and law has become the new bible..

    But is it better than its predecessor?

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    The Bible was written by men in an era where women were even lower on the social ladder than they are today. Much lower. So really, what do you expect? What better way to keep a woman "in her place" than to create the idea that GOD endorses it.

    I'm not buying it.

    "Civilization can only revive when there shall come into being in a number of individuals a new tone of mind, independent of the prevalent one among the crowds, and in opposition to it- a tone of mind which will gradually win influence over the collective one, and in the end determine its character. Only an ethical movement can rescue us from barbarism, and the ethical comes into existence only in individuals."

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    The Bible was written by men in an era where women were even lower on the social ladder than they are today. Much lower. So really, what do you expect? What better way to keep a woman "in her place" than to create the idea that GOD endorses it.

    I'm not buying it.
    Not buying what? Im certainly not buying the idea that "women were even lower on the social ladder than they are today" back in biblical days. What is the evidence for that?

    Exempted from military duty, exempted from death by virtue of being born of a particular gender, not having to prove themselves as good hard workers and providers prior to being married..

    Come on now!! The lowest social class, then as now, has always been the exclusive male domain.. Women have always been above the masses of low status men..

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    It seems often that Biblical stories are used to subjugate females specifically.
    Goliath was just a poor country boy and he didn't come out of it very well.

    Cain gets a caning too fairly early on.

    Able was a good guy who loses early too.

    The Bible is an apocryphal story of Good and Evil and how difficult itis to tell the difference when your eyes are shut. It isn't about 'men and women'.

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    apparently, one or two of the books in the bible were written by women, ruth and ester?

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    Do you really think so? In terms of monetary value, female slaves were sold for less than males slaves. Women weren't allowed to speak in church. Women occupied the back rows (when they were finally allowed to worship inside churches with men present), they were outcasts during their monthly periods (had to sleep outside their dwellings)..were considered spiritually unclean...they were subjugated as concubines, etc, etc...that is, of course, if you buy into the Biblical stories, which granted, many did, many still do, but I do not. The Bible is a product of its era, and it reflects ideas and beliefs common to the people in those time periods.

    "Civilization can only revive when there shall come into being in a number of individuals a new tone of mind, independent of the prevalent one among the crowds, and in opposition to it- a tone of mind which will gradually win influence over the collective one, and in the end determine its character. Only an ethical movement can rescue us from barbarism, and the ethical comes into existence only in individuals."

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    Goliath was just a poor country boy and he didn't come out of it very well.

    Cain gets a caning too fairly early on.

    Able was a good guy who loses early too.

    The Bible is an apocryphal story of Good and Evil and how difficult itis to tell the difference when your eyes are shut. It isn't about 'men and women'.
    If the femistatists dont like it, then it has to be viewed as oppressive to women, because they say so and they are the ones who want the right to oppress women, and by doing that, men also..


 

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